From sjoerd.simons@collabora.co.uk Tue Jun 15 16:28:08 2010 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: sjoerd) with ESMTPSA id 0BEF66002FD Received: by night.luon.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C2161A21B; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:28:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:28:08 +0100 From: Sjoerd Simons To: martyn@lanedo.com, micke@tinybird.com, richard@tinybird.com Cc: Robert McQueen , Guillaume Desmottes Subject: Telepathy logger, good old Gossip and licenses Message-ID: <20100615152808.GA10311@night.luon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Evolution-Source: imap://cassidy@mail.collabora.co.uk/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey, Long time ago that i talked with most of you, hopefully you're all doing well and are having fun with your current endeavours :) As a bit of background of why i'm mailing you all, we're building a logger service for Telepathy. This allows any IM conversation done via telepathy (whether it be in gnome shell, Empathy or whatever) to be automagically logged. Part of this service will be a little library one can use for writing log viewers. The current storage backend is based on the logging code from Empathy, which in turn has its origins in Gossip. Which means the library needs has to be GPL currently, which is not great for obvious reasons. Hence we were wondering if there is a possibility to relicense this code to LGPL v2.1+ To be more specific we tracked the code down the follow files from Gossip: libgossip/gossip-time.c: Copyright: Imendio AB Main Author is Richard with contributions from Mikael and Martyn libgossip/gossip-log.c: Copyright: Imendio AB No main author in the license header, code mostly written by Martyn with contributions from Richard and Mikael So what it in the end comes down to is: would you be happy to relicense this code such that we can use it under the LGPL v2.1+ and are you able to make that decision on behalf of Imendio AB (which from a legal perspective own the copyrights ttbomk) Sjoerd -- One meets his destiny often on the road he takes to avoid it. From martyn@lanedo.com Wed Jun 16 11:58:43 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 434 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at bhuna; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:58:43 BST Received: from lanedo.com (lanedo.com [85.214.136.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bhuna.collabora.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D42D600304; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:58:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (host86-172-70-241.range86-172.btcentralplus.com [86.172.70.241]) (Authenticated sender: martyn) by lanedo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A40DC7F407C; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:51:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Telepathy logger, good old Gossip and licenses From: Martyn Russell To: Sjoerd Simons Cc: micke@tinybird.com, richard@tinybird.com, Robert McQueen , Guillaume Desmottes In-Reply-To: <20100615152808.GA10311@night.luon.net> References: <20100615152808.GA10311@night.luon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:51:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1276685486.1808.2.camel@petunia> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 X-Evolution-Source: imap://cassidy@mail.collabora.co.uk/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 16:28 +0100, Sjoerd Simons wrote: > Hey, Hi, > Long time ago that i talked with most of you, hopefully you're all doing > well and are having fun with your current endeavours :) Certainly is :) > As a bit of background of why i'm mailing you all, we're building a logger > service for Telepathy. This allows any IM conversation done via telepathy > (whether it be in gnome shell, Empathy or whatever) to be automagically > logged. Part of this service will be a little library one can use for writing > log viewers. I see. > The current storage backend is based on the logging code from Empathy, which > in turn has its origins in Gossip. Which means the library needs has to be > GPL currently, which is not great for obvious reasons. Hence we were > wondering if there is a possibility to relicense this code to LGPL v2.1+ > > To be more specific we tracked the code down the follow files from Gossip: > libgossip/gossip-time.c: > Copyright: Imendio AB > Main Author is Richard with contributions from Mikael and Martyn > > libgossip/gossip-log.c: > Copyright: Imendio AB > No main author in the license header, code mostly written by Martyn > with contributions from Richard and Mikael > > So what it in the end comes down to is: would you be happy to relicense this > code such that we can use it under the LGPL v2.1+ and are you able to make > that decision on behalf of Imendio AB (which from a legal perspective own > the copyrights ttbomk) Absolutely fine by me. -- Regards, Martyn From richard@tinybird.com Thu Jun 17 09:21:13 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 331 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at bhuna; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:21:13 BST Received: from mail.tinybird.com (static-212-247-165-146.cust.tele2.se [212.247.165.146]) by bhuna.collabora.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34FF6006C3; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:21:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tinybird.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159649D8FC; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tinybird.com Received: from mail.tinybird.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core.tinybird.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hqkRcJPolNBx; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.50.6] (c80-216-159-112.bredband.comhem.se [80.216.159.112]) by mail.tinybird.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A684F9D8F1; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Telepathy logger, good old Gossip and licenses Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Richard Hult In-Reply-To: <20100615152808.GA10311@night.luon.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:40 +0200 Cc: martyn@lanedo.com, micke@tinybird.com, Robert McQueen , Guillaume Desmottes Message-Id: <53541F05-0D68-41C8-B0B2-E42B56B6D862@tinybird.com> References: <20100615152808.GA10311@night.luon.net> To: Sjoerd Simons X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Evolution-Source: imap://cassidy@mail.collabora.co.uk/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Sjoerd, Long time no see :) Hope everything is fine! > To be more specific we tracked the code down the follow files from Gossip: > libgossip/gossip-time.c: > Copyright: Imendio AB > Main Author is Richard with contributions from Mikael and Martyn > > libgossip/gossip-log.c: > Copyright: Imendio AB > No main author in the license header, code mostly written by Martyn > with contributions from Richard and Mikael > So what it in the end comes down to is: would you be happy to relicense this > code such that we can use it under the LGPL v2.1+ and are you able to make > that decision on behalf of Imendio AB (which from a legal perspective own > the copyrights ttbomk) Micke and I are fine with relicensing any Imendio and/or personally owned code in the mentioned files to LGPL v2.1+. I can make that decision on behalf of Imendio AB (now known as Tinybird Interactive AB). Cheers, Richard -- Tinybird Interactive - Inspiring Software From guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk Thu Jun 17 14:51:24 2010 Subject: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL From: Guillaume Desmottes To: lars@metafoo.de, 84yelo3@gmail.com Cc: Robert McQueen , Sjoerd Simons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <1276779083.2456.12.camel@cass-x200s.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:51:24 +0200 X-Evolution-Format: text/plain X-Evolution-Account: 1171035114.6047.0@cass-lpt X-Evolution-Transport: smtp://cassidy;auth=PLAIN@mail.collabora.co.uk:587/;use_ssl=when-possible X-Evolution-Fcc: mbox:/home/cassidy/.evolution/mail/local#Sent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Nicolò, Hi Lars-Peter, As a bit of background of why i'm mailing you all, we're building a logger service for Telepathy. This allows any IM conversation done via telepathy (whether it be in gnome shell, Empathy or whatever) to be automagically logged. Part of this service will be a little library one can use for writing log viewers. The current storage backend is based on the logging code from Empathy which is currently GPL, which is not great for obvious reasons. Hence we were wondering if there is a possibility to relicense this code to LGPL v2.1+. Both of you contributed to empathy-log-store-empathy. Would you agree to relicense your contributions to LGPL v2.1+ ? Nicolò: http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?id=ee5227403193fe7b5dae7d5c15e33d8a9c385c3f Lars-Peter: http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?id=ddae3ae13b1bf6368bd91327357e3c6999ac6a45 http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?id=61226f8d9920b92dd5b2defa606efabde6367b2c Regards, G. From lars@metafoo.de Thu Jun 17 16:14:56 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 562 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at bhuna; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:14:56 BST Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.9.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bhuna.collabora.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 241E66006C3; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:14:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43812668; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:05:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-hamburg.de Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id WhF0cb1qF-Gb; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.37.31] (port-91423.pppoe.wtnet.de [84.46.69.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: 7clausen) by mailhost.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97DE0667; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C1A39A4.8020701@metafoo.de> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:05:08 +0200 From: Lars-Peter Clausen User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100329) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guillaume Desmottes CC: 84yelo3@gmail.com, Robert McQueen , Sjoerd Simons Subject: Re: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL References: <1276779083.2456.12.camel@cass-x200s.lan> In-Reply-To: <1276779083.2456.12.camel@cass-x200s.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Evolution-Source: imap://cassidy@mail.collabora.co.uk/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Guillaume Desmottes wrote: > Hi Nicolò, Hi Lars-Peter, > > [...] Both of you contributed to empathy-log-store-empathy. Would > you agree to relicense your contributions to LGPL v2.1+ ? > > [...] Hi Fine with me. - - Lars -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkwaOaMACgkQBX4mSR26RiM/dQCaAzquubkWKf3jx1CyIHghWhhQ d6YAnRAKhP9uN+NnmhC94ayMr+BeCRul =B059 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicolo.chieffo@gmail.com Thu Jun 17 16:24:40 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by bhuna.collabora.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E0F6006C3; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:24:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so27253wya.31 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=hmyX3rIMLanTFUJL3nCeh5iR1GDib6JXQiw+blZttN0=; b=U9/xsAQws3wrzopusunxTW9SAkHf1sBc84qe943kJ4kj9XRoSBDqrq5dC8BnLV3VNC 35EIahuYTPH9FEvSh+MBgWBECTLpBUilBizoKAtC+Nj0bk9Oy9TssNi/cNG0wjGqnkPT HfBHHzdktmWKEeXCWqAY6M0CryrTkNHG0AHqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=ppfACJwhVh5UUD4FBaNpAtvfscnd+Pz9bYgXfAY5m0BQ10BoSrWRe5/V6AoML76hDM LMSvIHeusFiS/jX4S+hGIAQwK3+MkK7PXXtbiZK6IcBmmvOD1vHyESpAN6gxEIoZNVrM PR8IpueImsXYO+x+IJmrFo1Pc1XTKK8A4kv70= Received: by 10.227.137.205 with SMTP id x13mr113184wbt.6.1276787896890; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: nicolo.chieffo@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.180.78 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:17:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C1A39A4.8020701@metafoo.de> References: <1276779083.2456.12.camel@cass-x200s.lan> <4C1A39A4.8020701@metafoo.de> From: "Nicolo' Chieffo" <84yelo3@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:17:55 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: A9mwR_wn2kw1OycMVY0OShQudeo Message-ID: Subject: Re: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL To: Lars-Peter Clausen Cc: Guillaume Desmottes , Robert McQueen , Sjoerd Simons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Evolution-Source: imap://cassidy@mail.collabora.co.uk/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm not a license expert so I don't exactly know why GPL is not ok for this log service. So I just trust your decision. From guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk Thu Jun 17 17:26:37 2010 Subject: Re: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL From: Guillaume Desmottes To: Nicolo' Chieffo <84yelo3@gmail.com> Cc: Lars-Peter Clausen , Robert McQueen , Sjoerd Simons In-Reply-To: References: <1276779083.2456.12.camel@cass-x200s.lan> <4C1A39A4.8020701@metafoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <1276788396.2456.14.camel@cass-x200s.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:26:37 +0200 X-Evolution-Format: text/plain X-Evolution-Account: 1171035114.6047.0@cass-lpt X-Evolution-Transport: smtp://cassidy;auth=PLAIN@mail.collabora.co.uk:587/;use_ssl=when-possible X-Evolution-Fcc: mbox:/home/cassidy/.evolution/mail/local#Sent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le jeudi 17 juin 2010 à 17:17 +0200, Nicolo' Chieffo a écrit : > I'm not a license expert so I don't exactly know why GPL is not ok for > this log service. > So I just trust your decision. We want libtelepathy-logger to be LGPL instead of GPL so non-GPL application can link to it. That's also a requirement for libraries in the GNOME platform. G. From nicolo.chieffo@gmail.com Thu Jun 17 16:27:58 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by bhuna.collabora.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CF86006C3 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:27:58 +0100 (BST) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so30560wya.31 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:27:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=orax0p81ikSvJkK+LpN58Qx8sL4dnVGz74R8hVjlW1o=; b=f83vuoMX92uBOszQlHtOpOoe1HF13I86nNH9aiLGzZUIW8cPYJbugmn0QstVoUiUWK LNqLpXTplmG4nXG4R/6V17L4agMmodI4jdc3qUQQ56rN50T+8Hek4b+rXj8ZYbXgyw7X x27V5GiyWGIgrhwb5T1yDcUrwCFox8QmA65Gk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=A3Za1Mf5DUGfRlP/NqXypn3b8TX7fP3lbsaqM8ZPVO6+TztvH38K7xzDQNMtwYa93c jvWvuNbBGXgx4f1rxZekJrBYDMhPTWJZihJ/5DapW/81ru7iDRRkgEzCTrhvG6vlSjAs axiXV36o28DJ2BZ0+Rsx84+VvUq316JHB9gIg= Received: by 10.216.165.208 with SMTP id e58mr50808wel.57.1276788477987; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:27:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: nicolo.chieffo@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.180.78 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1276788396.2456.14.camel@cass-x200s.lan> References: <1276779083.2456.12.camel@cass-x200s.lan> <4C1A39A4.8020701@metafoo.de> <1276788396.2456.14.camel@cass-x200s.lan> From: "Nicolo' Chieffo" <84yelo3@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:27:37 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eHESWH-FxRr__2Ul8LGf0pj9RU0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL To: Guillaume Desmottes Cc: Lars-Peter Clausen , Robert McQueen , Sjoerd Simons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Evolution-Source: imap://cassidy@mail.collabora.co.uk/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK!